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Perhaps, you should take a look at Dr. Makary’s testimony before Congress and his NY Post column earlier this week. He nails the very basic reason why amnesty is laughable. When you double down, including actively shaming and censoring the truth, going after doctor licenses etc, in the face of the inescapable truth, your conduct is no longer careless, reckless or much less naive. It’s criminal!
And smug, arrogant, haughty, condescending, supercilious and most telling, self righteous. I don’t know about you kids, but I was taught to apologize when I was wrong to those my words had hurt or wronged. None of that from Momma Oster or any of those that demonized ( and widely ridiculed) so many of us who from Day One paused simply because so much of what we were being told in absolutes did not make sense. And by “ those” I mean the Liberal Media and that is one very long list. It’s not constructive to say “ I told you so!”...but it is constructive to say “ I’m sorry, I was wrong.” Love, Waiting in Colorado
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I was hoping Emily would have some words about how she fell into the insanity, and realizes where she went astray. Discrimination is never the answer. As a logical, data-driven person, there were sound reasons to reject the jabs.
It was no small thing. And many people had it worse than I did. Losing their jobs, losing their health, losing loved ones to a product with a poor safety profile. Not to mention broken relationships with family and friends. Social isolation. And the shocking realization that in a country celebrated for freedom and critical thinking we could go so far off the rails and be in complete denial of it, with one-sided media, cancel culture and social media censorship feeding the beast.
This was a terrifying, dangerous and dark era of our history. We need to recognize it as that. Not an innocent mistake resulting in something along the lines of a slight bummer.
“Shockingly sharp rebuke?” Hardly. Outer played a role in pushing dangerous drugs on her fellow citizens and family. She played a role in people being fired and banned from society.
Now she plays “poor me, people are so mean.”
I actually believe in forgiveness, but she equates that with amnesty. No.
Those who abused their power to do this deserve criminal investigation and trials. And sentences, if found guilty of any of the multitude of crimes that were committed.
Her family, at a minimum, and possibly the public, in Oster’s case, deserve an apology. She has yet to have given one.
The poor me act will only incite more anger. But, her history on these issues has been along that vein, to divide, to say “come along,” and point and continue, “shame on all of you who won’t come along.”
What’s “shocking” is that the author/interviewer and the interviewee are surprised by the response to her amnesty proposal. Folks skeptical of vaccines and mandates generally were treated quite badly by people with the power to do so. The resultant damage, mistrust and anger won’t be assuaged simply by calling for a mulligan.
Yes, am very disappointed that Oster’s take away is to have a thicker skin - that she was just an innocent academic doing her best, caught in the crossfires of politics. Afraid not. Her attitude is representative of the moral failings of academia, exposed by the pandemic. In her eyes someone like me is “on a side” - no, I’m just an unvaccinated human who lost their civil rights in NYC because too many were willing to bury their heads in the sand.
I'm not sure which part makes me more angry. That there are still people who feel that the unvaccinated jeopardizes untold lives, or her "helping" a small group of NPR listeners absolves her foot in the mouth amnesty call.
She couldn’t tell which ‘side’ her detractors were on. It wasn’t about sides, Emily. It was about health, science, and truth. People like her made it about sides.
How about not have them at all, especially when the curtain is pulled back and magically the truth is set free - they don’t do what the health and government officials said they would do! But, harm? Certainly appears that way..30% uptick in heart attacks in the 25-44 year-old demographic. Common theme? Multiple jabs. Hmmmm
Sorry Hamish, if you had any credibility as a writer you’ve lost it.
Emily and everyone like her need to face the music and be Penalized somehow. Admittedly it is damn complicated and all these far left Self-righteous people, without a critical thinking cell in their brain, spewed out anger and hatred toward those of us who didn’t trust a brand new experimental delivery of medication enough to take it.
It only took a few weeks for the information to come out about the health risks of these shots. And everybody with credibility trying to warn the public were shut down, Lost their jobs, were ridiculed and deplatformed/censored.
The wrath of justice must reach every single one of those leftist criminals. How to figure out the level of punishment according to the degree of criminal activity from those who actually took part in mandating and administering these shots all the way down the list to those who used their platforms and position to spew hatred, and offer up suggestions of how we should “deal with the unjabbed”, is not for me to decide. But it must happen.!
The fact that she’s confused which side people are on drives home the point. Taking sides is such a myopic way of interpreting what’s going on. Whittling it all down to sides really misses the point of what happened. She’s focused on the wrong things, still. And it seems she feels “being on the correct side,” whatever that even is, justifies ill-informed actions. Still no responsibility being taken.
“On the left, there were people who felt that the unvaccinated jeopardized untold lives; on the right, there were people still furious about the way they were treated for not going along with the lockdowns.”
This is oversimplified and highly inaccurate on purpose.
It’s non-partisan. People everywhere are upset at the unvaccinated for much more than “jeopardizing lives”, it was never about that anyway, because we know these vaccines don’t save lives. It wasn’t about science either, ever. It was about groupthink and control. And it’s not only the right who are “furious” but lockdowns are the least of it.
Has the writer even read anything about this topic on Substack? You should have commissioned someone informed on the topic for this and done some good rather than spew propaganda. You are pissing in the faces of those who made this platform what it is. This is betrayal. Time to find another platform, seems to me.
No fucking amnesty. Shame forever and prosecution for all who went along with this. It’s far from over. From the actual left!
Good for her for expressing that school closures were harmful to our children . That was a step in the right direction . But I still don’t think Emily understands what really happened to the those who decided for themselves how to combat Covid without the use of an mRNA experimental ‘vaccine ‘ . There is no forgiving what has happened without the tyrants admitting they were wrong and they will not do it again . But some schools are still insisting they get a vax when it has no efficacy at all !! We are not going to forgive - we are going to show the world who the tyrants really are until they admit their wrong doing and attempt to make it right . And that has not happened yet .
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Perhaps, you should take a look at Dr. Makary’s testimony before Congress and his NY Post column earlier this week. He nails the very basic reason why amnesty is laughable. When you double down, including actively shaming and censoring the truth, going after doctor licenses etc, in the face of the inescapable truth, your conduct is no longer careless, reckless or much less naive. It’s criminal!
And smug, arrogant, haughty, condescending, supercilious and most telling, self righteous. I don’t know about you kids, but I was taught to apologize when I was wrong to those my words had hurt or wronged. None of that from Momma Oster or any of those that demonized ( and widely ridiculed) so many of us who from Day One paused simply because so much of what we were being told in absolutes did not make sense. And by “ those” I mean the Liberal Media and that is one very long list. It’s not constructive to say “ I told you so!”...but it is constructive to say “ I’m sorry, I was wrong.” Love, Waiting in Colorado
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I was hoping Emily would have some words about how she fell into the insanity, and realizes where she went astray. Discrimination is never the answer. As a logical, data-driven person, there were sound reasons to reject the jabs.
https://open.substack.com/pub/thecriticalmiddle/p/hidden-options-in-health-care-part-b4f?utm_source=direct&r=1sr0c7&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
This is what I went through because of my personal health choice
https://open.substack.com/pub/thecriticalmiddle/p/the-smoldering-rage-of-the-unvaccinated?utm_source=direct&r=1sr0c7&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
It was no small thing. And many people had it worse than I did. Losing their jobs, losing their health, losing loved ones to a product with a poor safety profile. Not to mention broken relationships with family and friends. Social isolation. And the shocking realization that in a country celebrated for freedom and critical thinking we could go so far off the rails and be in complete denial of it, with one-sided media, cancel culture and social media censorship feeding the beast.
This was a terrifying, dangerous and dark era of our history. We need to recognize it as that. Not an innocent mistake resulting in something along the lines of a slight bummer.
Spot on.
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And masks.... It’s almost like that was some test balloon to measure our gullibility and smarts...
“Shockingly sharp rebuke?” Hardly. Outer played a role in pushing dangerous drugs on her fellow citizens and family. She played a role in people being fired and banned from society.
Now she plays “poor me, people are so mean.”
I actually believe in forgiveness, but she equates that with amnesty. No.
Those who abused their power to do this deserve criminal investigation and trials. And sentences, if found guilty of any of the multitude of crimes that were committed.
Her family, at a minimum, and possibly the public, in Oster’s case, deserve an apology. She has yet to have given one.
The poor me act will only incite more anger. But, her history on these issues has been along that vein, to divide, to say “come along,” and point and continue, “shame on all of you who won’t come along.”
These are the tactics of narcissists and abusers.
Exactly! Amnesty is not forgiveness any more than humility is the same as arrogance. And this article is dripping with collectivist arrogance.
And the disingenuousness of her saying that she expected blowback from the LEFT??? Good grief.
*Oster, not Outer. Autocorrect.
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What’s “shocking” is that the author/interviewer and the interviewee are surprised by the response to her amnesty proposal. Folks skeptical of vaccines and mandates generally were treated quite badly by people with the power to do so. The resultant damage, mistrust and anger won’t be assuaged simply by calling for a mulligan.
Yes, am very disappointed that Oster’s take away is to have a thicker skin - that she was just an innocent academic doing her best, caught in the crossfires of politics. Afraid not. Her attitude is representative of the moral failings of academia, exposed by the pandemic. In her eyes someone like me is “on a side” - no, I’m just an unvaccinated human who lost their civil rights in NYC because too many were willing to bury their heads in the sand.
Excellent comment.
I'm not sure which part makes me more angry. That there are still people who feel that the unvaccinated jeopardizes untold lives, or her "helping" a small group of NPR listeners absolves her foot in the mouth amnesty call.
She couldn’t tell which ‘side’ her detractors were on. It wasn’t about sides, Emily. It was about health, science, and truth. People like her made it about sides.
Ah yes, the same person that tweeted this:
“Shaming people who haven't gotten vaccinated is not likely to work at this point (or ever).
What will?
Individual family pressure: Maybe Vaccine requirements for things you want to do (domestic air/train travel, work, sports events): Yes.
We can have these without shame.”
How about not have them at all, especially when the curtain is pulled back and magically the truth is set free - they don’t do what the health and government officials said they would do! But, harm? Certainly appears that way..30% uptick in heart attacks in the 25-44 year-old demographic. Common theme? Multiple jabs. Hmmmm
No Amnesty.
No amnesty.
Sorry Hamish, if you had any credibility as a writer you’ve lost it.
Emily and everyone like her need to face the music and be Penalized somehow. Admittedly it is damn complicated and all these far left Self-righteous people, without a critical thinking cell in their brain, spewed out anger and hatred toward those of us who didn’t trust a brand new experimental delivery of medication enough to take it.
It only took a few weeks for the information to come out about the health risks of these shots. And everybody with credibility trying to warn the public were shut down, Lost their jobs, were ridiculed and deplatformed/censored.
The wrath of justice must reach every single one of those leftist criminals. How to figure out the level of punishment according to the degree of criminal activity from those who actually took part in mandating and administering these shots all the way down the list to those who used their platforms and position to spew hatred, and offer up suggestions of how we should “deal with the unjabbed”, is not for me to decide. But it must happen.!
The fact that she’s confused which side people are on drives home the point. Taking sides is such a myopic way of interpreting what’s going on. Whittling it all down to sides really misses the point of what happened. She’s focused on the wrong things, still. And it seems she feels “being on the correct side,” whatever that even is, justifies ill-informed actions. Still no responsibility being taken.
NO ONE should be taking their parenting advice from Emily. Her Covid fear tactics are full of what is now misinformation!
“On the left, there were people who felt that the unvaccinated jeopardized untold lives; on the right, there were people still furious about the way they were treated for not going along with the lockdowns.”
This is oversimplified and highly inaccurate on purpose.
It’s non-partisan. People everywhere are upset at the unvaccinated for much more than “jeopardizing lives”, it was never about that anyway, because we know these vaccines don’t save lives. It wasn’t about science either, ever. It was about groupthink and control. And it’s not only the right who are “furious” but lockdowns are the least of it.
Has the writer even read anything about this topic on Substack? You should have commissioned someone informed on the topic for this and done some good rather than spew propaganda. You are pissing in the faces of those who made this platform what it is. This is betrayal. Time to find another platform, seems to me.
No fucking amnesty. Shame forever and prosecution for all who went along with this. It’s far from over. From the actual left!
"You are pissing in the faces of those who made this platform what it is"... spot on!
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So, there is a message there. Even "founders" may learn something.
I am really curious why this interview with this fairly narcissistic academic was put up.
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Good for her for expressing that school closures were harmful to our children . That was a step in the right direction . But I still don’t think Emily understands what really happened to the those who decided for themselves how to combat Covid without the use of an mRNA experimental ‘vaccine ‘ . There is no forgiving what has happened without the tyrants admitting they were wrong and they will not do it again . But some schools are still insisting they get a vax when it has no efficacy at all !! We are not going to forgive - we are going to show the world who the tyrants really are until they admit their wrong doing and attempt to make it right . And that has not happened yet .