I tried out DeepSeek for some research I was doing. It still produces errors and hallucinations like all LLMs. Personally, I didn't find it performed any better than Mistral, with the exception that it accessed more recent data. The "thinking" dialog sounds a lot like an ADHD brain's "inner voice" with less repetition. It has a childlike quality to it thst's kinda cute.
One thing I found interesting is that, unlike other LLM models, when I raised a doubt over something it said it didn't just blindly accept that you're right (even if you were wrong), but instead reviewed it's sources and conclusions and in the end stuck by it.
- It's trained by ChatGPT Distillation (IP legality now under review)
- It's restricting access now due to processing deficiencies, likely caused by trade restrictions
- It's power usage innovations are opensource, meaning all other models now have them + exorbitant processing meaning Deepseek may not maintain competitiveness
It was an excellent reply however, his position on whether Deepseek used distillation to achieve that result was disappointing. Having an opinion matters. Good or bad.
Personally I will not download any of these AI apps. I’m aware “Big Brother”, both domestic and international are listening and watching my every word,but I won’t sign up for any of it. I’m sticking with “BI” Biological Intelligence. I have four adult children who are brilliant and expert in their own professions. I turn to them when I need help or input.
I’ve been collecting data about DeepSeek. My experience has been very positive. I will be writing about it soon. I do not believe that LLM technology will in any way achieve AGI. At least DeepSeek knows this. Fifty+ years as an AI scientist. Dr. Randy Kaplan. (And by the way, let’s not forget Bill Gates accomplished quite a bit of corporate espionage and THEFT in the creation of Windows and it still was and is a terrible OS.)
AI is ultimately tied to the military drone space, and why we should be very wary using it, regardless of its proposed benefits. Artificial Intelligence cannot create life - it assimilates life.
Never have tried an AI application ( not even spell check or garmmarly) and probably never will. I am 70, and know all too well that getting good info/intel these days is like having to mine for gold. The ore grades are degrading and so you have to dig deeper and sift through more rubble to get what you used to be able to pick up on the surface of a stream as a pure nugget.
Even worse, when I tried to post reviews of my lawyers In Elizabethtown and Louisville KY and the judges, Medical Boards, Hardin Memorial Hospital in KY and then later the NC Medical Board and Physician Health Program in NC, my Google, Facebook, and AVVO ( a lawyer feedback forum supposedly for clients to rate their lawyers) were shadow banned. You can type all the reviews you want and think you are posting them because you see them on your screen, but in reality these posts are never seen by the public. It is a double deception upon you the poster and the potential reader who might benefit from your post.
So basically, If and when I post anything on line, (especially with my browser Yahoo- a frequent blocker- which I have used since the 90's) even things that could theoretically be sourced through public records, I reluctantly question the futility of it all. My first question is always "Will this get censored?" Apparently China is already at it.
So against this background, AI seems pointless. You simply can't rely on it. That's why I got my HAM Radio Extra ratings etc.
Same age here. AI is pointless, for the reasons you mentioned and many more. The potential for abuse and manipulation is infinite and the more the day to day system embraces it, the more chaotic our lives will become.
The only solution I can see is to detach, dropout and disengage. Just one example- don't write reviews, don't challenge the system, as you've been doing. Instead, figure out how to go your own way. It will take some thought, some planning.
You can't let age keep you from doing so. Picture yourself as a 30 or 40 year old and go from there.
I hear you. This stuff is new, and I’m getting tired and old. The foundation for this was laid way back and history is written by the winners. You have to search hard for the deeply buried truths.
I hope you stick to your writing. I have a food blog and I put a lot of work into the photos, recipe, text and the help I give and my photos are showing up on Amazon in AI recipes. I don't use AI because I want my readers to hear from me directly,. I just hope others feel the same.
I have ben getting summaries out of Singapore. DeepSeek is essentially a 140 person strong team of Chinese techies educated exclusively in China's leading institutions and averaging less than 35 years old. I actually have a photo of 11 of them cheesing it up for the camera.
I would expect more as this team grows and matures.
I tried out DeepSeek for some research I was doing. It still produces errors and hallucinations like all LLMs. Personally, I didn't find it performed any better than Mistral, with the exception that it accessed more recent data. The "thinking" dialog sounds a lot like an ADHD brain's "inner voice" with less repetition. It has a childlike quality to it thst's kinda cute.
One thing I found interesting is that, unlike other LLM models, when I raised a doubt over something it said it didn't just blindly accept that you're right (even if you were wrong), but instead reviewed it's sources and conclusions and in the end stuck by it.
Some interesting points about Deepseek
- It's trained by ChatGPT Distillation (IP legality now under review)
- It's restricting access now due to processing deficiencies, likely caused by trade restrictions
- It's power usage innovations are opensource, meaning all other models now have them + exorbitant processing meaning Deepseek may not maintain competitiveness
Nice piece. Explained in a way an old man like me might learn more than 1/2 of what you conveyed.
The CEO of Anthropic wrote a blog post that clears up the deepseek hype. I highly recommend: https://darioamodei.com/on-deepseek-and-export-controls
It was an excellent reply however, his position on whether Deepseek used distillation to achieve that result was disappointing. Having an opinion matters. Good or bad.
Personally I will not download any of these AI apps. I’m aware “Big Brother”, both domestic and international are listening and watching my every word,but I won’t sign up for any of it. I’m sticking with “BI” Biological Intelligence. I have four adult children who are brilliant and expert in their own professions. I turn to them when I need help or input.
Here here. I've got three kiddos. Hang around horses, not machines. People, not machines. Much better long term plan
I’ve been collecting data about DeepSeek. My experience has been very positive. I will be writing about it soon. I do not believe that LLM technology will in any way achieve AGI. At least DeepSeek knows this. Fifty+ years as an AI scientist. Dr. Randy Kaplan. (And by the way, let’s not forget Bill Gates accomplished quite a bit of corporate espionage and THEFT in the creation of Windows and it still was and is a terrible OS.)
MAC and Linux both suck LoL! I use all three and can't figure out which is worse :)
AI is ultimately tied to the military drone space, and why we should be very wary using it, regardless of its proposed benefits. Artificial Intelligence cannot create life - it assimilates life.
https://romanshapoval.substack.com/p/drones-and-the-us-space-force
Americans are mad because a chinese company built an AI software that is so advance than anything else in the world and that too for peanuts.
Never have tried an AI application ( not even spell check or garmmarly) and probably never will. I am 70, and know all too well that getting good info/intel these days is like having to mine for gold. The ore grades are degrading and so you have to dig deeper and sift through more rubble to get what you used to be able to pick up on the surface of a stream as a pure nugget.
Even worse, when I tried to post reviews of my lawyers In Elizabethtown and Louisville KY and the judges, Medical Boards, Hardin Memorial Hospital in KY and then later the NC Medical Board and Physician Health Program in NC, my Google, Facebook, and AVVO ( a lawyer feedback forum supposedly for clients to rate their lawyers) were shadow banned. You can type all the reviews you want and think you are posting them because you see them on your screen, but in reality these posts are never seen by the public. It is a double deception upon you the poster and the potential reader who might benefit from your post.
So basically, If and when I post anything on line, (especially with my browser Yahoo- a frequent blocker- which I have used since the 90's) even things that could theoretically be sourced through public records, I reluctantly question the futility of it all. My first question is always "Will this get censored?" Apparently China is already at it.
So against this background, AI seems pointless. You simply can't rely on it. That's why I got my HAM Radio Extra ratings etc.
Same age here. AI is pointless, for the reasons you mentioned and many more. The potential for abuse and manipulation is infinite and the more the day to day system embraces it, the more chaotic our lives will become.
The only solution I can see is to detach, dropout and disengage. Just one example- don't write reviews, don't challenge the system, as you've been doing. Instead, figure out how to go your own way. It will take some thought, some planning.
You can't let age keep you from doing so. Picture yourself as a 30 or 40 year old and go from there.
Time to 'DeepSeek" all this AI nonsense now!
Every 'human voice ' is a robot and another job gone just like "Self -Serve" in the grocery store.
The Corporate State is out to impoverish the masses world-wide. AI is just their latest scheme
It's strictly about control
AI's about control, and it may accomplish control through impoverishment. Or it may accomplish impoverishment through control. It doesn't care.
I’ve a gut feeling that resistance is futile. But I’m going to behave in the opposite manner.
I have a feeling resistance is futile if you allow more than just a small amount of AI in your life. Try to work with it and it will consume you
I hear you. This stuff is new, and I’m getting tired and old. The foundation for this was laid way back and history is written by the winners. You have to search hard for the deeply buried truths.
I'll rally around AI when it experiences and understands love, grief, the agony of loss, and the intense thrill of redemption.
I'm quiet sure Lastman's Whale isn't eating Jonah, but throwing him ashore. ;-)
* quite sure
-- Sorry-ICouldNotHelpMyselfGPT
Thanks. I'm still learning.
Thank you for this fantastic post. Love the thoughts on walking and friction.
I hope you stick to your writing. I have a food blog and I put a lot of work into the photos, recipe, text and the help I give and my photos are showing up on Amazon in AI recipes. I don't use AI because I want my readers to hear from me directly,. I just hope others feel the same.
My daughter has the same problem with her blog. No respect for copyrighted material.
I have ben getting summaries out of Singapore. DeepSeek is essentially a 140 person strong team of Chinese techies educated exclusively in China's leading institutions and averaging less than 35 years old. I actually have a photo of 11 of them cheesing it up for the camera.
I would expect more as this team grows and matures.
Awesomely informative! Thanks for this!